• Ronin

    O.K. Even though Cancellara and Boonen were absent from the race, it is still an historical accomplishment. I would have never thought a woman could win the Ronde.

    • Jessi Braverman

      I find this comment a bit disappointing. Don’t you think the women who race deserve a bit more respect than this?

      • winkybiker

        I agree Jessi. They don’t feel the need to preface the men’s race name with “Men’s”, so there is also no need to do the equivalent for the women’s race. Perfectly fine to simply call it the Tour of Flanders. Ronin might think the comment is funny, but I don’t. I just wish the women’s race had the same history (it will, one day) and I also wish they raced a bit further. 180km would be a sweet spot for women’s one-day classics, in my view.

        • CB

          Two good points made winky. What do you think Jessi of world cup races being up to 180km?

          • Jessi Braverman

            I’m of two minds of a race of that distance for women’s races. Worth nothing before I respond - the UCI has proposed an increase in length regulations for women’s races as early as next year. I believe by 10km for stages and 20km for World Cups.

            I love how aggressive women’s racing can be from start to finish (although that the women’s peloton certainly saved all the aggression for the second half of Flanders). The longer a race is, the more quiet the early action may be and/or formulaic the race as a whole might get. In saying that, I think women are perfectly capable of racing significantly longer distances than current regulations allow.

            • winkybiker

              The attrition of the longer races is part of the game. Doesn’t look like much is happening, sure, but the kilometres are inexorably taking their toll. The strongest riders win the longer races. The faster riders can win the shorter ones, but can’t win long fast races unless they have something else.

      • winkybiker

        I agree Jessi. They don’t feel the need to preface the men’s race name with “Men’s”, so there is also no need to do the equivalent for the women’s race. Perfectly fine to simply call it the Tour of Flanders. Ronin might think the comment is funny, but I don’t. I just wish the women’s race had the same history (it will, one day) and I also wish they raced a bit further. 180km would be a sweet spot for women’s one-day classics, in my view.

      • Ronin (Fuerteventura, Spain)

        No, not really. Men, often great champions, doing battle in Flanders for over a hundred years, have made the Tour of Flanders a great sporting event. Women have been invited to race at the Tour of Flanders for what, ten years, with fields that are never even close to world class. Often, half the women are already out of the race and destined for a DNF before the racing really starts. Yet, they’re to be treated on a par with men, given equal prize money and free TV coverage, and the respect of the title of Tour of Flanders champion? Why? Just because they’re women, apparently. You earn it, we’ll take it. From each according to his ability, to each according to her want.

        At least women have a proper claim to Wimbledon honours. Women have been competing at Wimbledon since 1884. There’s a long list of champions and contests between champions that give any women’s finals some context and have helped build the women’s tournament into something worthy of respect.

        • winkybiker

          Its a chicken and egg thing. The history can only develop over time, and the interest will only come with coverage. Until then, the relative levels of interest will reflect the disparities that you point out. There is no need, nor justification to make it harder for the women’s race by giving it a qualified name.

        • Jessi Braverman

          Wow. I thought you were trying to be funny with your first comment. That was disappointing. Now I realize the disrespect was intentional. That’s shameful.

          Your facts are, simply put, completely incorrect. First let’s talk about television time. The women got absolutely ZERO television time during the race and a mere 30 second clip following the end of the men’s race. Equal prize money? Not even close. Kristoff took home more than 10x what Longo Borghini won. The percentage of race finishers out of total starters between the men’s field and the women’s field were nearly equal - and if you look at Gent Wevelgem last weekend, only 39 out of 200 men finished while nearly 50% of the women’s field did.

          While the “great champions” of men’s cycling might be more numerous for a variety of reasons far too complicated to attempt to explain here, the likes of Marianne Vos, Pauline Ferrand Prevot, Lizzie Armistead, Emma Johansson, Ellen van Dijk, etc. are no less accomplished or worthy of admiration than their male counterparts.

          Your argument about Wimbledon vs. Flanders has no merit from where I stand. How do you suppose a historical is established? Everything has to begin somewhere.

          I’m not under the illusion that anything I say will change your misinformed and frankly misogynist perspective. With that said, my response is aimed at those who are new to following the sport and may read your comments and think anything close to parity exists within cycling - when they couldn’t be further from the truth.

          Elisa Longo Borghini is the champion of Tour of Flanders just as much as Alexander Kristoff, and I hold her accomplishment as equal to her male counterpart. Frankly, I can’t believe that I even have to say that. To me - it should be a given.

          • CB

            100% support your response Jessi. It is just bewildering that some involved in our sport choose to spend their time valuing the achievements of some, in order to suppress and devalue those of others. Personally, I want our sport to flourish and thrive in all it’s formats by all those competing. Refuting the rather dubious and myopic comments of such an individual are not worth anymore time.

        • Richardo

          So you’re famous Ronin!! - immortalised in print: http://www.cyclingtips.com.au/2015/04/elisa-longo-borghini-reflects-ronde/

          Congratulations - you clown.

    • Jeremy G.

      AKA Aaron Brown?

    • shelly

      This person whom wrote this is the douche bag Aaron Brown who stole the money from the Kimmage fund and is now a wanted man. He knows nothing about cycling nor does he know anything about being a decent human being. So don’t take anything he says to be relevant because he himself is no longer relevant in cycling…actually he never was.

      • Ronin

        You got the very last part correct, at any rate.

  • Kenneth Sanders

    What no video!

    • Jessi Braverman

      No live television meant no video immediately post-race. When we update with quotes from Elisa and Jolien, we’ll add in the video that should be available pretty shortly here. Stay tuned!

  • http://dutchielovescycling.tumblr.com Marianne Westacott-Clermonts

    “We even tried to get girls behind the car to get back to Elisa and they couldn’t.” Uuuum what?

    • Jessi Braverman

      Rochelle is saying that during the recon ride, when Elisa attacked on the Patersberg, her teammates went behind the car (to get the additional draft that motorpacing allows), and they were still unable to catch her. Hope that helps explain!

      • http://dutchielovescycling.tumblr.com Marianne Westacott-Clermonts

        Aaaah that makes sense, thanks for the clarification!

  • James

    Glad that Eurosport at least made a bit of an attempt to tell us what was happening in the women’s race, albeit with only 1km to go. Come on RVV, lets get some live video. The men’s race is quiet whilst the women’s race is in full swing and we’re missing the action.

    • winkybiker

      Absolutely agree. The women’s race coverage could easily be spliced with the men’s coverage, requiring no more broadcast time. Let’s face it, for much of any race or stage, not much happens. Of course, they’d have to get cameras on the women’s race as well. Without the the media coverage, women’s racing will never get the following that would bring more money into the sport.

  • Jessy Vee

    ELB has to be one of my favourite pro cyclists. She’s strong, and intelligent and seems wise beyond her years. For one so young, I can see a huge potential in her and it looks like Wiggle Honda is doing the right thing by her and the rest of the team, and creating a nurturing environment for all of the riders to grow. It is also wonderful to see such an amazing diversity of strength and character within the women’s peloton, and this is only going to get bigger as the races get bigger and the women’s pro peloton get more of a following. It is a very exciting time!

    I find van Vleuten’s comment about not getting any information until 5km to go really interesting. I always love to watch races that don’t have race radios. To me, they’re much more exciting and they force the teams to think of tactics that don’t consist of ‘sit on the front and pull the breakaway back, then bunch sprint’. I LOVE to see a late breakaway (or an early break that sticks for 150km+) and I definitely root for the surprise win.

    • Jessi Braverman

      World Cups allow the use of race radio, so I think that was part of van Vleuten’s frustration. No one had information on the gap - not anyone in the cars nor anyone on the road. While surprise wins are great, having information from the moto bike about the moves ahead usually is (and should be) standard as it can dictate how the group behind reacts or does not.

      Agree with you that Elisa is a class act. Exciting season to date - even with Boels-Dolmans and Wiggle Honda dominating the spring in some ways, we’re seeing lots of different riders on the top step and races unfold in a lot of different ways. Now if we could only get all the excitement on live television, think about how many new fans would be introduced to the sport!

      • Darrin

        Elisa is definitely a class act!

        As for not having race radio or information on the gap, shouldn’t that also dictate how the group behind reacts - Chase harder, earlier, to stop a large gap from building?

  • Natalia

    Hello, do you know if the post-race videos UCI makes from worldcup races might be getting in the way of showing those races live? At some point commentators in beinsports metioned some sort of conflict between the host broadcaster and the company making the UCI videos. I still don’t understand what the deal is with them (the full lenght ones are blocked for viewers in USA), I appreciate having them, at least we can see something, but if indeed the live feed is not provided to avoid losing potential viewers for the videos, or to avoid whatever conflict of rights, I think we might be kicking our butts.

    • Jessi Braverman

      Hi Natalia - I don’t know enough to fully explain the situation, but I can tell you with a reasonable amount of confidence that is completely false that the UCI does not hold back live footage to avoid losing potential viewers for their YouTube videos. I attended the women’s cycling seminar in Siena, and from that, I know the UCI is actively involved and invested in getting live women’s racing in front of as many eyes as possible.

      • Natalia

        Thanks for the answer Jessi. The mere fact that we have those videos shows the UCI’s interest to get people to see the women racing. However, I understand that once they sell the rights to show the videos to a channel (say universal sports in the USA), they have to block access to the YouTube video for viewers in that country (I’m guessing that’s why videos are blocked in USA), so I was wondering if some sort of “legal” conflict would be present in terms of the live feed, when the race has bot men and women versions happening at the same time. For example Flanders. I can imagine universal sports not being happy if footage of the UCI video is shown live by, say, beinsports or espn. Hopefully it is not the case. This is me trying to understand why we did’t get to see live action last Sunday, when cameras were in place.

        • Dave

          Live rights shouldn’t prevent highlights clips being made available at a later date.

          The UCI certainly hasn’t had that problem with the track world championships where the live stream was blocked to Australia (people without VPNs had to slum it with a standard definition stream on SBS, complete with ad breaks during races) and the full replays are still blocked, but the highlights clips on YouTube are freely available.

          • Natalia

            Hi Dave, the 20+ min videos are blocked in USA (this is the one for Trofeo Binda: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=L0LSx9syd7U), however the 5+ min highlights are viewable.
            It’s just weird because last year they did show the first part of the women’s race live, then switched over to the men’s. Towards the end of the women’s race people complained and begged in social media (like this year), to see van Dijk storming to the finish, instead of Cancellara taking a pee. I was surprised to see we went from some to zero live feed of the women’s race.
            Maybe it’s just that the host broadcaster doesn’t want to show the women’s race, for whatever reason.

    • Production Vsquared

      Hi,
      Picking this thread up late but perhaps I can add something to this. We are the company which currently produces the UCI videos of the Women’s Road World Cup. Firstly rhere is no conflict between us and any host broadcaster and no one is standing in the way of live coverage of Women’s races. The problem is entirely down to money and in some cases the perception from Broadcasters that there is not enough interest in the Women’s races to justify the costs and airtime involved. In many cases they are right much though we’d all like that to be different. The truth is that cycling as a whole be it Men’s or Women’s struggles to get a big enough audience to justify the huge costs of covering it. Obviously the interest varies from country to country, different host broadcasters will come to different decisions.

      The idea of “splicing” between the two races sounds simple but the reality is very different. To cover the women race live would require a minimum of 2 motorbike mounted cameras. These would have to be live linked which means that each bike must have an accompanying helicopter. These signals must then be beamed back to a receive point on separate frequencies to this e being used for the men’s race. All of that and the feeds from the men’s race cameras then go into a production vehicle where a director must select which image to show at any one time. For the Men’s Tour of Flanders he is already looking at 35 cameras. So it’s no easy thing to suggest that he can just have a few more to look at. To make sense of the races someone would have to be across the details of each race and know when something important was happening. On screen graphics would need to be doubled in terms of personnel. None of this is impossible but it’s not easy and it’s certainly not cheap. The big risk would be that you’d end up with neither race getting satisfactory coverage. Or the Women’s race would get a few cursory minutes of attention - say the top of the Kwaremont and Paterberg and the finish. A step up from what’s there at the moment admittedly but still not a proper coverage and all done at at detriment to the coverage of the men’s race. What happens if the Men’s race favourite crashes at the same moment as the Women’s race finishes? In the end no one would be happy.

      Specifically in the case of Flanders, I know that the host broadcaster would cover the women’s race live if it was held on the Saturday, but this would have implications for the sportive event (both very popular and extremely lucrative for the organisers) and it might mean that the crowds out round the route wouldn’t be the same as a race on Sunday.

      So no easy solution. The answer is to attract more sponsorship income that will pay for increased TV costs but that will only come with increased exposure which means more time on TV etc. We also have to make it as easy as possible for sceptical TV executives to get coverage of Women’s racing and discover that they can get an audience for it. That’s what we have been trying to do with the current UCI shows - make a properly produced highlights show that any broadcaster in the world is happy to transmit. Hopefully they will be encouraged to want more. Initially probably a longer highlights show but with a few live races in the mix as well. There’s also a growing online audience and as we move to a world where most of us get our TV that way then hopefully we’re positioning Women’s cycling to be in the forefront of that transition. There are no quick fixes, it’s going to take time and everyones cooperation, but things are moving in the right direction

      I think the next step realistically is to try to get same day highlights coverage. this in itself would require a significant increase in TV budget but it is perhaps more attainable.

      • Jessi Braverman

        Hi Vsquared - Appreciate you weighing in on this discussion. A lot! We plan to get in touch to see if you would be open to speaking about this in more detail for a story we have in the pipeline around some of the broader issues you’ve outlined. If you’re not the correct person for this, let us know - and please keep an eye out for an email from us at tomorrow. Really enjoyed the way you gave context for the decisions made and all the larger implications. Thanks again! Jessi

  • Frank

    Great coverage, as always. Would love to see a gallery of shots from the race (if available - always hopeful!).

    • Jessi Braverman

      It’s available - and almost ready for posting. Hang tight for a few and it’s all yours!

  • Anton Rodman

    Total disappointment, stupidity and a total lack of respect to women’s cycling through the lack of national and international telecasts! The infrastructure is there and in place! Use it and show it!
    Great win for Borghini and an amazing come back after being in a wheelchair and a broken pelvis in 2013. More power to her! Thanks EllaCyling tips for the informed writ.