This page features the terms of conditions for taking part in the Santini Giro tipping competition.

Official rules

These are the official rules of the tipping competitions. We have tried to write them in legalese so that nobody can actually understand them. Please contact us if you have any questions. Any questions you submit might end up on an FAQ. That is if we get asked any questions and they become frequent.

Glossary 101

  • A Competition means a tipping competition for a particular cycling race.
  • A Race is a cycling race on which a tipping competition is based. A Race consists of one or more Stages. For example, Milan San Remo would be a one-stage Race. Giro del Trentino is a five-stage Race.
  • Riders participate in Races. They are (usually) professional cyclists.
  • Tippers participate in tipping competitions. There are no rules preventing Riders from becoming Tippers. There are rules of nature that probably prevent most Tippers from becoming Riders (we know this because we’re not Riders).
  • A Competition is divided into many Pools, comprised of groups of Tippers.

Glossary 201

There are private Pools and public Pools: the creator of the Pool can elect whether it is private (invite only) or public (anyone can join). A Tipper may create and/or join as many Pools as he or she likes. The minimum number of participants in a Pool is one. There is no maximum number of participants. Each Tipper can nominate at most one Pool to be his or her Primary Pool.

The Sitewide Competition is the collection of all Primary Pools and is used to rank all Tippers who are participating in any Pool in a certain Race. Note that it is possible to have no Primary Pool, which is equivalent to opting out of the Sitewide Competition.

By way of example: if you are participating in four Pools on the Tour of the Gila, then you can elect to nominate one of these Pools as your Primary Pool. The Sitewide Competition uses the tips that you submit to your Primary Pool as your entry. You cannot enter unique tips directly into the Sitewide Competition. In each of the four Pools in which you are participating, you enter your tips and see how you are tracking against the other participants in that Pool.

This all seems a bit complex? Well, we suspect that most people will only participate in one Pool, so this is designed so people playing a single Pool have an easy way to beat their mates and understand how they are doing across the entire tipping realm. But we wanted to avoid the situation where someone is participating in 10 Pools and tipping the same riders in all 10 and is taking up spots 1 through 10 on the sitewide competition leaderboard. So we’ve limited the Sitewide Competition to one entrant per login.

A sitewide report will be published for each stage, generally describing what has happened in the race. This will be visible on all tipping Pools. The Pool creator can also submit an additional report (called a Tipping Report) to the sitewide report which will only be visible to the entrants of that specific Pool.

Generally this would cover the movement within your Pool but it’s your Pool, so you can write about anything you like really, we won’t judge you.

Competition rules

1. Each Pool mirrors the timing and results of the underlying Race. Each Tipper nominates a Rider for each Stage of the Race. The Tipper earns the selected Rider’s time (including any bonus seconds), Sprint points and KOM points. After any given Stage, the Tipper with the lowest cumulative time is the GC leader. The Tipper with the most Sprint/KOM points is the Sprint/KOM leader.

2. Each Tipper may select each Rider once during the Competition. So if you use Richard Virenque on the Prologue TT, you will not have him in the hills. Conversely, if you are waiting to use Bradley Wiggins and he crashes out, you will not get to use him. Unsurprisingly, this is the hardest part of the competition.

3. Many Tippers can select the same Rider for a given Stage.

4. There is a Default List of riders for each Race. This List will be available on the Competition page prior to the start of the Race. The Default list provides a default Rider for Tippers who:

a. fail to enter a tip before the deadline;
b. tip a Rider who DNS; or
c. tip a Rider who DNF.

Note that the Default List is set at the beginning of a Race and does not change. The Default List is determined by the UCI WorldTour ranking prior to the start of a Race. If the Race is the first of the season, i.e. the Tour Down Under, then the Final UCI WorldTour rankings from the year prior will be used.

5. The Default Tipping Mechanism works as follows:

a. When the Stage starts, any Tipper who has failed to enter a tip is flagged as requiring a default.
b. When results are uploaded, any DNS or DNF Riders are removed from the Race (and from the Default List). Any Tipper who had selected a DNS or a DNF is flagged as requiring a Default.
c. Each Tipper who has been flagged is given the Rider on the top of his/her Default List.

Note that each Tipper’s Default List is unique as it does not contain Riders that have been tipped on earlier Stages.

The Default Tipping Mechanism does not respect that you might have tipped a Rider on a future Stage. It does, however, realise the damage it is doing and will email you to tell you have used a Default Rider. In fact, the DTM will actually remove your future tip if it brings it forward.

Default tipping is much easier to understand using examples. For all of these examples, we will be tipping a three Stage Race.

Default List:

1. Hinault
2. Merckx
3. Virenque
4. Fignon
5. Sean Kelly

Default Tipping Example 1:

  • On Stage 1, Woody tips Hinault.
  • On Stage 2, Woody forgets to tip. He is assigned Merckx as his default since he has used Hinault.

Default Tipping Example 2:

  • On Stage 1, Woody tips Hinault. During the Stage, Merckx crashes out of the Race.
  • On Stage 2, Woody forgets to tip. He is now assigned Virenque as his default since he has used Hinault and Merckx is no longer racing.

Default Tipping Example 3:

  • Before the start of Stage 1, Woody enters tips Hinault, Sean Kelly and Merckx for Stage 1, 2 and 3 respectively.
  • Sean Kelly crashes out on Stage 1.
  • On Stage 2, Woody forgets to update his tip (recall, Sean Kelly has crashed out). He is assigned Merckx as his default since he has used Hinault. Even though he has entered Merckx for Stage 3, Merckx is still the top rider on his Default List. Merckx is removed as his tip for Stage 3.
  • On Stage 3, Woody again forgets to update his tip (recall, his set-and-forget Merckx tip was deleted after Stage 2). Now he is given Virenque who is the top rider on his Default List.

6. For a TTT, you select an individual Rider as normal. You are allocated the Rider’s time, not the Team time. Therefore, if your Rider gets dropped from the team they will receive a different time from the team. This time is calculated by subtracting GC before the TTT from GC after the TTT.

7. Winners and Tie Break: The stage winner is the Tipper who tips the rider who finishes first (this should be obvious). The GC winner is the Tipper who has the lowest time. When there is a tie on GC, Tippers are ordered randomly (OK, not technically randomly, but no thought has been given to the order). If at the end of the race, there are still ties on GC, the tie break mechanism is invoked.

Each Tipper must nominate the overall winning rider and the total time of the rider. The Tipper who nominates the highest overall finisher wins the tie. If multiple Tippers nominate the same rider, then the tipper who nominates the time closest to the actual race time wins. Tie Break is found in the “Other Information” section of the competition, and it can be updated through approximately the halfway point of the race.

8. Results are uploaded by hand. Occasionally we make mistakes. Please forgive us. We source results from the Race’s official site whenever possible. If the Race website is useless we use another source. We are open to criticism and love a good chat about how we could do something better or simply just do it right: contact us.

9. By entering The Santini Giro tipping competition, you are agreeing to the following terms and conditions:

9.1. Standard terms

9.1.1 Information on how to enter forms part of the terms of entry.

9.2. Who can enter?

9.2.1 Entry is open to Australian Residents over the age of 18 years (excluding employees and immediate family members of CyclingTips). Must be able to show upon request proof of residency e.g. Drivers Licence.

9.3. How to enter

9.3.1 The Competition commences on Friday May 9th, 2014 and concludes on Sunday June 1st, 2014 (“the Competition Period”).

9.3.2 In order to enter the Competition entrants must go to this page and complete the online entry form, including the entrant’s full name, contact number, address & email.

9.3.3 Entrants may only enter in the Competition once and must do so with a valid email address.

9.3.4 The Promoter reserves the right to verify the validity of entries and reserves the right to disqualify an entrant for tampering with the entry process or for submitting an entry which is not in accordance with the terms and conditions.

9.3.5 The Promoter may also share entrant information, including name and contact details, with other persons or entities that assist in running the promotion or with other companies who provide prizes for the promotion. This is to allow those companies or entities to make contact with entrants.

9.4. Prizes

There is one (1) overall competition winner, one (1) KOM winner, and one (1) sprint winner.

The overall prize winner will receive the following prizes from the corresponding prize package:

General Classification overall winner – 6 x Santini Custom Design Cycling kits consisting of a short-sleeve jersey and bib shorts (RRP $2,000)

KOM classification winner – Santini Ego Bibtight and Orbit Jacket (RRP $438)

Sprint classification winner – Santini Downtown ROME Wool Sweater (RRP $299)

- Total prize pool is $2,737.00 (AUD)

9.4.1 In the event that any prize item is unavailable; the Promoter reserves the right to substitute a prize item of equal or greater value.

9.4.2 In participating in the Competition, the winner agrees to participate and co-operate as required in all marketing activities relating to the promotion, including but not limited to being interviewed and photographed. The winner grants the Promoter a perpetual and non-exclusive licence to use such footage and photographs in all media worldwide and the winners will not be entitled to any fee for such use.

9.5. How to win

9.5.1 Each entrant who has entered the competition over the Competition Period and registered all details in accordance with clause 3 will be eligible for the winner’s prize.

9.5.1. The prize winner will be notified by mail/email/phone with a prize letter/email/telephone call within two (2) days of the competition closing date.

9.5.2 The Promoter’s decision is final and the Promoter will not enter into correspondence regarding the result.

9.6. No Liability

9.6.1 In the case of the intervention of any outside act, agent or event which prevents or significantly hinders the Promoter’s ability to proceed with the competition on the dates and in the manner described in these terms and conditions, including but not limited to vandalism, power failures, tempests, natural disasters, acts of God, civil unrest, strike, war, act of terrorism, the Promoter may in its absolute discretion cancel the competition and recommence it from the start on the same conditions, subject to State Legislation.

9.6.2 CyclingTips and their associated agencies and companies will not be liable for any misadventure, accident, injury, loss (including but not limited to consequential loss) or claim that may occur:

  • 9.6.2.1 during the draw;
  • 9.6.2.2 Whilst undertaking any exercise or activity connected with their entry into the draw; or
  • 9.6.2.3 In the participation in any prize;
  • 9.6.2.4 In relation to failure of an online entry message to be received by the promoter on account of technical problems or traffic congestion;
  • 9.6.2.5 Arising from or related to any problem or technical malfunction of any internet network related to or resulting from participation in this promotion;
  • 9.6.2.6 Due to circumstances outside the Promoter’s reasonable control.

9.6.3 CyclingTips and its affiliates assume no responsibility for any error, omission, interruption, deletion, defect, delay in operation or transmission, communications line failure, theft or destruction or unauthorised access to, or alteration of, entries, and reserves the right to take any action that may be available.

9.6.4 If, for any reason, this competition is not capable of being conducted as planned, including, but not limited, due to tampering, unauthorised intervention, fraud, technical failures or any other causes beyond the control of the Promoter which corrupt or affect the administration security, fairness, integrity or proper conduct of this competition, the Promoter reserves the right, in its sole discretion, to disqualify any individual who tampers with the entry process, take any action that may be available, and to cancel, terminate, modify or suspend the competition, subject to State Legislation.

9.7. Promoter’s details:

The Promoter is:

CyclingTips Media
PO Box 40
Elwood, VIC 3184

10. Last rule. No more rules (until someone smarter than us works out some loophole).

  • ed

    there is something wrong with this site. all day it has been saying stage 2 is in progress. for some reason it is telling me i have selected nairo quintana for stage 2. i dont know if anyone else is experiencing the same problems

    • donncha

      Yep, it’s a mess. Can’t find a link to the competition on the home page at all. Google search turns up a link that when clicked goes to the 404 page. Basically the site has auto-picked Quintana for you, so your competition is effectively over, as I’m sure is mine.
      Shame, as I picked Svein Tuft yesterday :-(