Spec_Disc-1
  • Ralph

    Thanks for the review MW - nice photography too. Can I ask subjectively whether you prefer discs and how it gels with the road bike experience, I guess in other words what would you chose, rim or discs?

    • http://www.cyclingtips.com.au/ Matt Wikstrom

      For me, it comes down to the ergonomics of the brake levers. I prefer the feel of conventional levers since they lack the bulk required to accommodate the master cylinder for the hydraulic system.

      • Ralph

        I was wondering this as it’s the first thing I noticed on a disc system. Any news on whether there’s an update coming to the R785 system maybe with slimmer hoods?

        • http://www.cyclingtips.com.au/ Matt Wikstrom

          None. I think the next revision will come once Shimano introduces series-specific levers and calipers.

          • MBB

            For what it’s worth, I’ve been riding the R785s for 9 months now, and I’ve found the hood shape to be superb over the longer term. They might not be pretty, but they’re pretty functional. A few minor bugs, such as horrendous rattling due to the lever itself not having the cable tension to keep it in place, but a simple fix with some soft-side sticky velcro. The R785 hydro system with Dura-Ace Di2 has been a god-send. I’d be reluctant to go back to mechanical shifting or non-hydro disc braking.

  • VerticallyCompliant

    Specialized must save the fancy coloured models for Wade

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  • Simon

    I’m wondering if the Roubaix, which is more comfort/sportif oriented, can take wider tyres that would extend its range onto rougher gravel roads?

    • http://www.cyclingtips.com.au/ Matt Wikstrom

      28mm tyres won’t be a problem, there are some reports that 30mm can be too wide though, depending on the rims they’re mounted to.

  • TimM

    Interesting review. Good job.

    One comparison between these two bikes that I think has been missed is the internal routing for the front brake hose or lack thereof.

    The picture of the Roubaix with the long length of brake hose wrapped around the fork is making me cringe. The Tarmac, while I can’t tell definitively from the pictures but a quick google search reveals, has the hose internally routed through the top of the fork and then out the bottom near the calliper.

    Obviously the Roubaix can’t route the hose the same way as the “Zertz” insert probably prevents this.

    I’m not sure if I’m weirded out about this for aesthetic reasons or safety concerns. I’m not sure I like the cable through the fork either but there’s no real alternative given the calliper placement.

    I’m not a discs on road bikes opponent, just an observation. Give it time and if we are riding a new-ish bike from a non-boutique manufacturer I’m sure we’ll all be using them. I’m just happy to wait for the manufactures to work out some standardisation and for a larger range of wheels.

    • http://www.cyclingtips.com.au/ Matt Wikstrom

      Yes there are differences in cable routing for each bike, where the Tarmac is much tidier, front and rear. Definitely agree with you from an aesthetic point of view. Most suspension forks use the same kind of external routing so any safety issue would have been revealed years ago.

  • tobyshingleton

    Was switching the rear wheels between the two bikes a PITA with the Tarmac’s rear hub. I understood it was offset 5mm to compensate for it’s short stays? (405mm)

    • http://www.cyclingtips.com.au/ Matt Wikstrom

      Not at all, the disk caliper just needed minor re-aligning.

  • Ben

    It will be interesting to see which manufacturers disc standards emerge as the “standard” (Trek thru axle vs Specialized QR, disc caliper/wheel/hub sizing, etc) over next 12 months in lead up to UCI sanctioning disc brakes in 2017 (?) - could make neutral race service and after market components (disc wheelsets) interesting…

  • Gavin Adkins

    I’m sure they ride great and all, but they don’t look like much for what is really quite a lot of coin.

  • Michael

    Thanks for the timely review as I’m waiting for my tarmac disc to arrive. How did you find the performance of the QR as apposed to the thru axle? Were they stiff enough and did the wheels ever move at all in the drop outs the drops causing the brakes to rub?

    • http://www.cyclingtips.com.au/ Matt Wikstrom

      Zero issues for me. I read a comment recently that the lawyer tabs on the forks can be very effective at keeping the QR skewer in place.

      The debate over QR skewers versus thru-axles is an interesting one. It feels very much like an election campaign.

  • velocite

    Slower steering? My own experience of differing frame geometries leaves me interested but vague. I would have thought quick steering resulted from less trail, a function of head tube angle and fork offset/rake, but you don’t quote trail - or fork rake. I am currently switching between two bikes with distinctly different geometries: head tube angle/fork offset/trail for old/new are 74,5/53/40 and 73/45/60. They feel different, in fact when first got out of the saddle on the ‘new’ bike I thought the headset had seized because it felt so different, but they both lean into the corners without effort.

    Enjoyed the review though. Discs great, Roubaix for me.

    • http://www.cyclingtips.com.au/ Matt Wikstrom

      Take a look at this piece Wade wrote a while ago: http://cyclingtips.com.au/2011/02/the-geometry-of-bike-handling/

      • velocite

        Yep, remember that, made sense, identified trail as the determinant of steering ‘quickness’. The two bikes I’m swapping between these days have similar, though not identical trails, but achieved through a different combination of head tube angle and fork offset. Out of the saddle they feel quite different, I have concluded because when pulling up on the bars, as you do out of the saddle, the slacker the head tube the more the bars will turn. Which is why when I go back to the (newer) bike with the smaller angle it feels like the bars are resisting.

        Wheelbase is different by 45mm for these two bikes, but I can’t map that onto my experience of the ride.

        I do think it would make the geometry tables more meaningful if they included fork offset and trail as well as head tube angle.

  • Frank Cheshire

    What i can tell you (from painful experience) is that the S-Works Tarmac Di2 disc frame can take a hit! Managed to put mine into a stone wall at 75kph (disc brakes can’t compensate for gravel in the middle of an off-camber corner it seems ;) - unlike me it sustained no damage to the frame and fork despite ending up about 25m from where i was lying (and yes I’ve had it x-rayed :)

    Only problem is both wheels were destroyed by hitting a small ditch before the wall and the Roval Rapide CLX40 SCS Disc wheels are proprietary meaning (I’m told) i cannot use another rear wheel due to the hub - Specialized (Switzerland and inquiries in Oz too) tell me that there are no 2015 CLX40 SCS Disc clinchers left in stock and the 2016 model isn’t out yet, so no replacement wheels.

    Just as well I can’t get back on the bike until early 2016 i guess…